Archie Sonic ( Archie comics ) VS Wally West ( Detective Comics )
Multiverse of Madness comes out today ! That's super exciting. I have no plans for doctor strange or the scarlet witch so they'll have to wait. I also kind of released this one day late....whoops...
Derivakat also released a song for "Manhunt", I have plans for that....eventually.
Speaking of multiverses , time to introduce some multiversal threats....and another new series ! This time from another comic book...-ish... Sonic VS the flash , but with a twist.
This was a total logistics nightmare to understand . Ben 10 at least had one stand out alien that took control of most of the fight (Alien X) , these 2 monsters are so chaotic-ly overpowered I have more trouble understanding what was happening in their comics.
The fastest man alive VS The fastest thing alive, OP edition.
Wally West VS Archie Sonic !
This fight is obviously a spin off of '' Flash ( DC ) VS Sonic ( Sega )'' but I think this fight is actually far better. Not only is this fight more thematic, it is also a lot more complex and a lot more close. Flash is so much faster and more powerful than game sonic that it is not even funny anymore, to the point he could one-shot game sonic. Wally and Archie Sonic are so ridiculously over-powered that it makes this match-up surprisingly fun to break down. Let's get down to it. Our first fight with an archie character , and definitely not our last.
Ground Rules:
No outside assistance from freedom fighters, titans , justice league , etc.
No gear outside standard gear .
Super and Chaos emeralds will be given , so Sonic will be at his peak.
Let's get started:
Strength and Durability:
Who is stronger ?
Let's start with Archie Sonic.
In his base form , he took a blast in the face from a black hole imploding that sent him 849,000 light years away.
In his super form , he should scale to Super armour Mega man , who can reverse the effects of the genesis wave, which can reshape entirely both sonic's and megaman's worlds, should put him at universal to even multiversal. He fought against Hyper knuckles and almost destroyed the universe.
And as Ultra sonic , he becomes a force of chaos, giving him fate powers. I'll go more into this in the abilities section but this should put him at universal to multiversal, depending on what you buy for the size of Archie's universe and multiverse.
How about Wally?
Well he should at minimum scale to Kyle rayner , who held back the big bang and should scale to Reverse Flash holding back the big bang by vibrating , effortlessly might I add. His infinite mass punch is stated to be capable of destroying a white dwarf star , and he can vibrate more to destroy a universe too.
He scales above Barry who rewrote reality and his friendly race contest with Barry ripped through the fabric of reality almost tore apart the DC multiverse.
So...who is the more powerful out of two?
Well it depends. The archie universe's size has not been stated canonly stated by neither the writers nor the comics and thus should be proportional to our own , and calculated previously in "Green Lantern VS Ben 10" , that should be over a billion times smaller than the DC Universe.
However for the archie and DC multiverse, they have both been stated as infinite multiversal. This honestly leaves both in an odd spot , as they are so infinitely powerful in their destructive capabilities , determining a clear victor from the chaos becomes complex.
To be honest , I don't know who is stronger. They have both operated against multiversal reality warping in very similar ways.
While Ultra Sonic and Super Sonic are "invulnerable" while Wally is not , Wally does have his own multiversal durability. The rest of their strength comes from their abilites which will be discussed later.
Speed:
This might honestly and surprisingly, be the easiest section of the fight, because their speed levels are extremely obvious. They both have incalculable speed, that's not me guessing.
Archie sonic has moved in frozen time , in his fight with knuckles he was stated to have "incalculable speed" , and has moved across the highway between universes within a few seconds.
But at the same time....
Wally has done all of that too. He has moved from the edge of the 100 trillion light year universe , back to earth faster than instantaneous teleportation, and stated to move faster than a plank instant (The shortest amount of time measurable). He has been called impossible, has said to "move faster than the speedforce" and has travelled the DC multiverse himself.
Sidenote but seriously. Move faster than the speedforce also known as all the speed in the multiverse? How on earth? That's like you were to start running and you outran yourself???
The worst part is that he has done that before too. And he has tore apart the multiverse.
So who is faster?
While they are roughly the same speed , Wally has been more consistent in his showings and just having more showings of incalculable speed. He's just had more practice and experience with it. Speaking of experience.....
Skill and Experience:
For experience, They are roughly equal. The both have vast sums of team and individual work. I would say maybe Sonic? Since Wally started off as Kid flash and also kind of disappeared from reality for a few years.
Also apparently Sonic is 17? And Wally is in his mid 20s? That seems...off. However seeing how packed their careers are, I think that should not be a factor , especially concerning their speed and time travel.
For skill,I think Wally has the edge, knowing several martial arts like boxing , chi focus , judo, karate and kung fu while Sonic doesn't really have that.
Intelligence:
Sonic is surprisingly intelligent for being the funny goofball, he has consistently defeated Doctor "Eggman" robotnik who is a certified genius so it isn't like he cannot overcome intelligence.
They can both think in super speed too.
That being said....Wally is smarter. He is a scientist, even overwhelmed several top scientists at Star labs with his work. At the absolute beginning of his hero story, he and Barry helped recreate the experiment that gave the flash his powers. He has such a deep understanding of his powers that he gets other abilities from them , which I'll go into with abilities. Just a quick TL;DR , he can vibrate at specific frequencies to go through objects , go through objects whilst destroying them , go invisible, go intangible, and has control over his entire molecular structure. All these require an incredible amount of understanding of science to even pull off. He has recognized energies beyond his dimension and has more understanding of the multiverse than even Barry. The original flash.
Sonic doesn't really have anything against that.
Stamina:
This is an actual important category to this fight. Because while both Sonic and Flash can fight on for days and has the determination to fight for even longer , Super Sonic cannot.
Super Sonic does "Run out of Super" in Sonic's own words. In his fight against Enerjak's , he began during the day and won the fight in super sonic at night. Thus we can assume Super sonic can last a day or so, maybe a bit more.
Whilst Wally has vibrated non-stop for over 10 days straight, and the speedforce can actively supply energy to the flashes.
Wally has more stamina.
Gear and Abilities:
So right now Sonic is at a disadvantage. Yes he's more durable, but is less experienced, less skilled, less smart , and has pess stamina. However if it's an section, here is when he takes back his advantage .
Sonic has been hypothetisised as the living embodiment of chaos, and fate literally bends to him. He is an anomaly that no one can account for , and it shows in his abilities.
His simple abilities include Invisibility, phasing, and his other attacks like spin dash. And he has mind control resistance meaning that the flash cannot mind control him .
Then we get to his ridiculous powers.
Dimension traversal, matter manipulation like turnning water to rocks or rocks to fire, time travel , reality warping and chaos magic. Another chaos magic user managed to alter organic life , it's reasonable to assume sonic can too.
Most impressively, wish powers , allowing him to alter fate to practically get whatever he wants. These abilites are so powerful, an immortal god decided that the only way to beat sonic was to wait until he grew old and die of old age.
That's a lot, Wally is finished right?
Let's go through the list.
Invisibility and phasing , Wally can do both , and do both better.
For his dimensional travel ,Wally can vibrate his body into different spacial dimensions as well.
For time travel , Wally can do that too ,and has more experience with it.
Matter manipulation, even matter manipulation with organic life? The flash has complete control over his own individual molecules, even as the kid flash.
Finally , reality warping and wish powers. Can Wally West counter that ? Surprisingly....Yes! Chaos magic is stated to use physical energy, and the flash can phase through physical objects. Or jump through time or vibrate to a different spacial dimension. And he has perfect control over every molecule in his body. He has turned rocks into ice or burned straight through them by altering the vibrations of molecules.
Not like he cannot affect beings like sonic as well.
He has defeated Quantum mechanics, alien energies who exist above the 3rd dimension and the justice league could not even hit them, so...he vibrated his body so fast he practically turned into a prism and converted Superman's heat vision into beams that could kill them. He has proven he can phase through and alter reality warping energy.
What about Sonic's wish powers? Doesn't fate bend to him? Well yes , but Wally has overcome fate before. A phenomenal example is when he and barry when to the end of time to force the concept of death itself to die.
Couldn't sonic destroy the speedforce? Maybe , but Flash could also destroy Chaos magic too, and he's more likely to do this considering his superior intellect. Not like Flash only gets his powers from the speedforce , he has the ability to speed steal , taking speed from other people, for example, Superman, or in this case, Sonic. Super Sonic and Ultra Sonic practically become batteries for Flash to steal power and speed from. While Super and Ultra Sonic can replenish speed , this does mean that the Flash does have a leg up.
Overall:
The verdict? Who wins? Whilst Sonic is a force of nature, an order of chaos , and he and his powers practically make him impossible to beat ( I mean it is truly incredible what Archie comics has done with the character), he can practically beat almost anyone.
But Wally West just happens to be the exception.
He matches Sonic in both power and speed. However... He's smarter , more skilled and more experienced and most importantly, has counters to everything sonic can do and more. Sonic is more durable? Well Flash can outlast sonic until Ultra or Super sonic run out , and defeat base form sonic. Or time travel since he's better at it. Or.... just straight up annihilate the concept of sonic itself.
I love sonic and he has his own advantages. He can restore his own speed , he is more durable and he is more versatile, allowing him to take control of the fight's pacing. He can also counter most of Wally's abilities, he can restore stolen speed, he can manipulate the surroundings better than the Flash , giving him more battlefield as well.
But Wally....Wally is his own monster.
Winner :Wally West (Detective Comics)
This was an extremely fun match-up, and extremely complex yet simple? The shear amount of abilities they have is remarkable but they cancel out surprisingly well. Wally and Sonic bounce off one another stunningly well , not only from a powers and abilities perspective but also a personality perspective.
What next?
My mid year project?
Well not exactly.
The mid-year project I have been working on will be in July and I have planned pretty hard for that one.
For now...
I have a riddle idea that I camp yet reveal, but rest assured I phil take it to the max.
Alright thats I got for this month, hope you enjoyed!
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